help with identification

[thalassa]

Hello!

I'm impressed with how easy it seems for you guys to come up with an identification. Some of the shells I find, I finally found a name for (or at least I think I did  ;D) but more often I remain clueless.

Has anybody any idea what these might be?

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The first  one is broken and very eroded, but still I would like to know what it is . It's 100 mm long. (aegean sea)
The second one is 60 mm long and comes from Chrissi island (libyan sea) but it doesn't look like any of the shells I've seen there. During summer though, they sell shells on the island for the tourists. Could it be that it comes from somewhere else?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[paul monfils]

The first one appears to be the tip of the spire from a Charonia variegata, which occurs on both sides of the Atlantic.  The other one is not a "sea shell", but a land snail, Liguus virgineus, from Haiti, in the Caribbean.  This species is exported by the ton for shell craft and tourist baskets, so it is no surprise for it to turn up just about anywhere.

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[thalassa]

Thank you very much for your quick reply!