ID Help

[mark]

Dear All,

I would like to ask your help and patience again.

I have some new shells from Adriatic Sea what I can’t identify:

1. 4-5 mm (Rissoa lia ?) <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345119" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345119">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345119</a><!-- m --></a>
2. 2-3 mm (Retusa obtusa ?)  <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345227" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345227">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345227</a><!-- m --></a>
3. 10 mm <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345353" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345353">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345353</a><!-- m --></a>
4. 5mm <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345467" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345467">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345467</a><!-- m --></a>
5. 6-7 mm <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345548" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345548">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345548</a><!-- m --></a>
6. 6-7 mm <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345612" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345612">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345612</a><!-- m --></a>
7. 3-4 mm <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345840" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345840">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4345840</a><!-- m --></a>
8. 5 mm <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347124" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347124">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347124</a><!-- m --></a>
9.  6 mm <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347172" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347172">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347172</a><!-- m --></a>
10. 4-5 mm <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347215" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347215">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347215</a><!-- m --></a>

And I have some old shells what cause problem (I nowdays regroup my collection)

11. 3-7 cm (Turritella sp ?) <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347472" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347472">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347472</a><!-- m --></a>

(the background 1x1 cm)

12. Haliotis [url]<a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347524" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347524">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347524</a><!-- m --></a>[/url]   <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347568" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347568">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347568</a><!-- m --></a>
13. Nerita <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347624" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347624">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347624</a><!-- m --></a>  <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347679" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347679">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347679</a><!-- m --></a>
14. Patella <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347737" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347737">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347737</a><!-- m --></a>   <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347776" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347776">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4347776</a><!-- m --></a>

I would be very grateful if you could help me.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Mark

[idscaro]

Hi Mark
pic1. It seems it is a great Rissoa lia, yes
pic2. Not specialist, but obtusa seems OK
pic3. Unknown cerith, sorry
pic4. looks like Turbonilla lactea
pic5. Rissoina bruguierei or bruguieri
pic6. Excellent Raphitoma bicolor
pic7. Too dead; Alvania or Turbona something
pic8. Mangelia unifasciata
pic9. Too dead; Rissoa decorata or guerinii
pic10. Hohoho I don't know! looks a bit like a subfossil Rissoa variabilis
pic11. Turritella communis
pics12. rows 1,2: Haliotis glabra
pics12. row3: ovina-ovina-varia-varia-varia?planata-planata
pics12. row4: glabra-diversicolor

I let pics 13 & 14 to better specialists.
A little help can usually be found here:
for mediterranean seashells, enter <a href="http://www.idscaro.net/sci/04_med/index.htm" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.idscaro.net/sci/04_med/index.htm">http://www.idscaro.net/sci/04_med/index.htm</a><!-- m --></a> in your adress bar
for haliotidae: enter <a href="http://perso.numericable.fr/idscaro/05_hali/index.htm" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://perso.numericable.fr/idscaro/05_hali/index.htm">http://perso.numericable.fr/idscaro/05_hali/index.htm</a><!-- m --></a>

Kind regards

Olivier

[dave r]

Mark, picture 13- left to right, top to bottom:
Nerita undata, Nerita undata, Neritina turrita, Neritina gagates, Neritina paralella x 4, Neritina coromandeliana, Neritodryas dubia, Neritodryas dubia, Neritina paralella, Neritodryas dubia x 4.
Picture 14 top row:
Patella vulgata, Patella caerulea, Patella ulyssiponensis. All very worn.
Bottom row :
unknown, unknown, very worn Cellana radiata.
Hope this helps,
Dave

[dave r]

Hi Mark, it looks like a Hipponix of some sort but I can't say which species as the picture is too small. Any chance of a larger image?
Dave

[mark]

Hello Olivier,

Thanks for your help. The first link I knew for a long while because I use the net for try to ID my shells. Your site very nice but unfortunately I haven’t experience to find the small identification criterias. For example you have a good picture about an ideal Raphitoma bicolor. I identify his form but missed the light spots so it’s stay unidentified <img src="images/smiley/smile.gif" alt="" border="0" />
The Haliotidae (except ovina) were too similar for me <img src="images/smiley/frown.gif" alt="" border="0" />. This microshells I selected a lot of sandy refuse. I have more but these could I segregate. (I will try separate other species)
The Turritella ( not from Adriatic Sea) was too big and wide for me to be T. communis. It’s possible in this size?
I could only few shells myself and I would like to ID them because they more precious for me then others.
Best regards,

Mark

Hi Dave,

Thanks for your help too. As I wrote the small difference among other species and the difference in one species usually beats me. Your experience great help for me. Maybe I find the unknown “Patellaâ€

[mark]

Hi Dave,

I made new photos: (I think should learn about photography too <img src="images/smiley/smile.gif" alt="" border="0" />)

sp 1: <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777181" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777181">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777181</a><!-- m --></a>   <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777190" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777190">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777190</a><!-- m --></a>

sp 2: <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777219" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777219">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777219</a><!-- m --></a>   <a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777233" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777233">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777233</a><!-- m --></a>

Could you please ID this Terebridae?

<a href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777244" target="_blank"><!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777244">http://www.badongo.com/pic/4777244</a><!-- m --></a>

Thanks.

Regards Mark

[dave r]

Hi Mark, sorry mate, I still can't identify the Hipponix.
The Terebras are worn Duplicaria duplicatus.
Cheers,
Dave